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breeding and colors

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QUESTION: I was wondering about the details regarding which colors and coats you can breed together or not breed together for AKC registration to still be valid.
In great danes, you can breed fawns and brindles together but not to anything else.  You can breed blacks to blues and you can breed blacks to harlequins but you cannot breed blues to harlequins or you cannot register the pups.
Are the color and coat issues similar with doxies.  Details please!
Thany You

ANSWER: Go to the AKC website and you will see the coat colors.  You need to breed for confirmation and know your genetics.  The AKC wants dogs to breed to improve the breed and promote the characteristics.  Never breed dapples to dapples.  If you know the genetics of the parents, you will have a better idea of what colors you will get.  I am not a proponent of breeding unless it id by qualified breeders for the good of the breed so I am not the best choice to answer this really.  I work with rescue and see far too many dachshunds that are poorly bred, have poor confirmation, or are bred by people that do not understand the complications of breeding dapples.  You should be able to do a lot of research on the internet - there is a lot of information out there on this subject.

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QUESTION: Okay...perhaps you need to know a little more about me and then you'll answer the question...and the info I am asking for is not at the standards page at the AKC and not on the national breed club page either.  It lists coats and colors but does not say...do not breed blues to reds or whatever...

I am a very well educated and responsible person.  I raised and showed doberman all my life.  More recently we've had danes.  We live in an apartment now and want something smaller.  I also live on an island out past Hawaii.  There are only 3 doxies that I can find here, all are older and none papered or even look pure.
Several of us who would like smaller dogs other than bad chihuahuas, pugs and jacks, which is really all that's here...want to get together and go to Hawaii or Australia and get a pair.  This will be a huge expense adding up airfare, crates, shipping, certificates, vet clearance etc, not to mention that dogs in Hawaii and Australia are in the neighborhood of $1000 or more, often even without papers.  So we want to breed probably one litter so that all of the investors can have a puppy.  Each dog will have a home that wants him years before he's even born.
Believe me...thinking about it and making sure we have a plan will not be a problem.

So...to make sure we get two that will work...and OF COURSE we will get good and proper dogs that fit standard.  My concern is if we get a red and a black and tan...can they be bred and the pups REGISTERED?  Or do you have to breed color true?  I have always thought you needed to breed coat true, am I correct?
Do you need to breed color true?  If there are some cross over colors...which are they?

Answer
Again, it comes down to genetics.   A red can produce a red or a black and tan or both.  If there is dapple in the background, you may get some additional coloring.  This is why breeders have DNA tests done on their dogs - so they know what colors the dogs may throw.  Plus they keep records of what the pair thros so you can ask what was typical of the parents for producing color. Also, a dachshund in Australia can be different than an American one - it depends on the heritage and I am not familiar with Australian dachshunds.  I have had two that were imported from England and they are somewhat different than most American Dachshunds.  I also mentioned never breed dapples - another reason for DNA testing as it can be hard to tell the difference between a dapple and a pie.  Blues typically have skin issues and very poor coats.  We got into rescue a female who was a pie wire that was pregnant by an English cream and she had a red, a black and tan, and a dilute red.  I am not inferring that you are not responsible and uneducated, I simply stated that as a non-breeder of dachshunds who has taken many dogs from breeders, I know what I have told you but I am not an expert breeder.  Also, being registered does not make them quality dogs.  I have had several dachshunds in rescue that were rescued but still had poor confirmation but that also means that their pups could be registered.  Registration comes from heritage.  If you know the heritage, that will go a long ways to understanding the colors you may get.  To specifically answer the question, can you breed a black and tan to a red, the answer is yes - you may get all reds, a mixture of BTs and red pups, it depends on what genes the parents carry and if both are registered, the pups can be registered.  Breeding 2 BTs together you can still get reds - genetics again - what genes do the dogs carry for?  So dilutes can  have coat issues, isabellas commonly have coat issues, blues have skin and coat issues often, and never ever breed two dapples - you are most likely to get handicapped dogs.  So when you talk about breeding true to color, it really comes down to genetics.  You can breed two reds together but if one or both carry the gene for BT, you may get a BT pup or two.  Breeding dachshunds is not about looking at their coats and thinking that both are reds so you will get all red pups - that might not be the case - genetics.  I know I am repeating myself, but I hope you understand that your question is more about genetics than outward appearance of coat color.  Hope this helps!